tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post115486820625302904..comments2023-05-06T15:53:16.227+03:00Comments on Israeli Mom: Highest number of Israeli civilian casualties in a single day so farAnneMosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15106023892552600731noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155779804959950772006-08-17T04:56:00.000+03:002006-08-17T04:56:00.000+03:00Cararina posted a common enough plaint one hears w...Cararina posted a common enough plaint one hears which is so off base as to be absurd......and Ian chimed in later, backing her play: "NOW will the Michael Moores and suchlike take this war on terrorism seriously?"<BR/><BR/>I don't think anyone, left or right does not see the threat inherent in the radical Muslims. They managed to blow up the World trade Center, started a war in Lebanon, etc, etc. It is not that anyone fears them less than anyone else, frankly. We all all on the same page and you have stooped top electioneering politics to inform you about the attitudes and concepts of the left..........whcih is a dam fuzzy territory at best, anyway. <BR/> Tacticly, I supported our entry into Afghanistan. Indeed, I thought we should have stuck around and finished the job but Bush Junior had other ideas, taking away our focus from there, allowing it to become the narco-state I predicted it would and taking on this absurd adventure in Iraq. <BR/> It's an American trait nowadays, this spinning of truth and reality to fit an election campaign. Which is all the Bush people have done since they got into office, connive and use drastic and obscene methods, including sacrificing our prinicples and people to get re-elected. Congratulations on swallowing all that, you guys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155779235646139192006-08-17T04:47:00.000+03:002006-08-17T04:47:00.000+03:00The ever-lovely and soft-spoken Catarina opines: "...The ever-lovely and soft-spoken Catarina opines: "I think the term chicken is even too brave for the likes of you."<BR/><BR/>LOL, is that all you got? <BR/><BR/>I leave town for a week and Catrina sprouts herself a true believer! Thus emboldened, she rips out the heart of genuine heroes who served to allow her to spew her various opinions. Nice respect, gal. You're not even one of a kind..........gratitude and respect went away long ago, did they not? Welcome to the mob. Sigh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155651592605142702006-08-15T17:19:00.000+03:002006-08-15T17:19:00.000+03:00janjo ~ you never remarked on that link I posted ...janjo ~ you never remarked on that link I posted re: Nafu Sultan, but I extend you the courtesy of reading and researching your replies. Why can't you reciprocate? I only asked that you listen and then reply on her message.<BR/><BR/>I also wanted to make another reply on your comment that you made about the Ahmadinejad. You stated that he was all talk and no walk and then you went on to state that the Iranian people had such a higher turnout for voting, which is not true at all. I dont know where you got your statistics, but they're wrong.<BR/><BR/>If Iran is so democratic and voted for him and he's just a BS artist why would you want anyone like him representing you? Seems to me like that's an extremely cavalier attitude presented by the Iranians if they think their leader's ruling with an iron tongue lol ~ I would want someone that has some action behind thier words.<BR/><BR/>The only thing this man has is an army of wackjobs that will blow themselves up on command; while killing the infidels that don't believe in ISALM and continually tries to bullshit the rest of the world that they only want nuclear energy. Ya know, if you really think I or the masses of the US or any other country other than Russia or China (which are butt buddies with him) believe that, I feel so sorry for you.<BR/><BR/>Did you read this <A HREF="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/09/60minutes/main1879867.shtml" REL="nofollow">interview?</A> This guy's doing us a phenomonal favor with his replies. He's a dangerous man with a very evil mind.<BR/><BR/>How did you feel when you found that the Islamofacists terrorist were second/third generation Brits originating from Pakistan? <BR/><BR/>I don't want to argue or debate in an ugly fashion, but I do believe there's a lot of dialogue that you post that displays denial regarding Iran.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155620214222505332006-08-15T08:36:00.000+03:002006-08-15T08:36:00.000+03:00IsrealiMom said... Janjo, I enjoyed reading your c...IsrealiMom said... <BR/>Janjo, I enjoyed reading your comment as always. I have to say though, that incident in Nazareth isn't very relevant. These people were mentally disturbed. One of them was Christian (the man's wife). I am not sure what agenda they had, if any. They were taken for psychiatric observation on the spot, not even arrested, which usually mean it was crystal clear to the cops that they were not right in the head. <BR/><BR/>7:46 AM <BR/><BR/><BR/>You are 100% right here <BR/><BR/>IanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155620129285650232006-08-15T08:35:00.000+03:002006-08-15T08:35:00.000+03:00janjo for evry post You make about a Christian or ...janjo for evry post You make about a Christian or Fellow Jew taking part in some attack on islamics I can post 10 or more of muslims doing far more harm to people in the name of allah.<BR/><BR/>Let me ask You a question. Did You dance in the streets on 9/11 ?<BR/><BR/>Many of Your brothers and sisters did. I have never danced or gave candies to children or shot hundreds of rounds in the air when muslims have died. <BR/><BR/>IanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155357978216784182006-08-12T07:46:00.000+03:002006-08-12T07:46:00.000+03:00Janjo, I enjoyed reading your comment as always. I...Janjo, I enjoyed reading your comment as always. I have to say though, that incident in Nazareth isn't very relevant. These people were mentally disturbed. One of them was Christian (the man's wife). I am not sure what agenda they had, if any. They were taken for psychiatric observation on the spot, not even arrested, which usually mean it was crystal clear to the cops that they were not right in the head.AnneMosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106023892552600731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155343286280304862006-08-12T03:41:00.000+03:002006-08-12T03:41:00.000+03:00 Danger!! Another long comment Qur’an:9:5Fight an... Danger!! Another long comment <BR/><BR/>Qur’an:9:5<BR/><BR/>Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>I did some search and I found the whole Surrah 9 which I think you are referring to. You can read the whole <A HREF="http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/9.htm" REL="nofollow"> Surrah 9 Repentance, Dispensation</A> and judge it for yourself.( I suggest you read number 4 and then 5) If you like I can do same thing for rest of your comment referring to other Suurahs.<BR/><BR/>I suggest you read another set of comments which took place not long time ago over a vide clip <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=31208340&postID=115446154382965049" REL="nofollow">here</A>. What I was trying to say back then was, we should ask why for many things which are happening! When we find the cause then we can solve the problem. <BR/><BR/>You may say the cause is simply Islam. It is hard for me to accept that. I agree that religion is a problem but not just one of them. There is about 1 billion (or maybe more) Muslim around the word. You may know many of them in your society. You refer to them with names x and y. You never say someone is a good person because he is Muslim but you do other way round. If some one does something wrong and if he is Muslim then you say oh it is because he was Muslim. <BR/><BR/>Have you came cross this news which happened not long time ago? Here are two links for an article and a video clip of bbc covering the event.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.black-iris.com/?p=543" REL="nofollow">Israelis Attack Church of the Annunciation </A><BR/><BR/>And <BR/><A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news_web/video/9012da68003b9f8/bb/09012da68003ba70_16x9_bb.asx" REL="nofollow"> See the protests in Nazareth </A><BR/><BR/>Can you tell me how it would have been reported if it was 2-3 Muslims performing such attack?! <BR/><BR/>As Israeli Mom said, it is something that could change. And I think it will change sooner or later for Muslims to be more moderate. What percentage of Muslim is extremist? It is not much. <BR/><BR/>Maybe I misunderstand your comments but it seems that you (this you is not to all) are blaming one or another. Government are doing that to justify their actions. But we are not government. We are simple people which are not involved in politics (thank goodness). We don’t need to blame each other to be able to communicate. We don’t need to destroy each other verbally either. <BR/>It makes me sick that everyday I check different blogs and one group produce evidence that it’s Muslim or HA fault for what’s happening now and the other group provide evidence that it’s Israel fault. The funny thing is when you read each blog, when you watch each video clip it seems so convincing. And it seems so appropriate to accuse some one else. <BR/><BR/>But what happens if we try to not find the guilty one but try to find a solution. Try to understand why things are happening this way. So many whys! For a change lets not justify things. Lets not say it’s this and that fault that so many innocent people got killed. Let’s say what it is that we all can do to stop more people from getting hurt? <BR/><BR/>One day government were only representative of a country and to judge a country it was to look at its government. But things are changing and I am so thankful because of it. In near future it will be people representing a country instead of government being only representatives. <BR/><BR/>One day if I wanted to like or dislike an Israeli I had to watch the state tv and I didn’t have much of choice, it was the presenter decision to allow me to like or dislike the Israeli person. The only picture I would have had was Israeli soldiers shooting at disarmed people. To me when I was a kid Israel was an army rather than a state.<BR/><BR/>Today I don’t need to watch TV to decide on if I am going to like an Israeli or not. Today an Israeli is not just some picture but it is some one with name and character. Today I can talk to her and I can feel her day to day life and just see how similar it can be to mine. Today I can decide for myself if I like her or dislike her. Is not that something that we need to work towards it? <BR/><BR/>I am a very normal person. an average person of the society and I have managed to live between different people with different cultures and enjoyed it and loved it all the way through. If I have lived this way then anyone could do so. and if we don’t, it is not because it is not possible or one culture or religion is not good! It is just we chose not to! <BR/><BR/>When you are at war you can not ask these questions, simply because you have to support your troops and soldiers. I remember the 8 years war between Iran and Iraq. So many people got killed and no one asked why. Not many years after the war, people at both sides of the border are getting along and they whisper quietly that what I was fighting against? My next door neighbour? But he is just like me! How can we like each other now when we were killing each other not long ago?! And you know what the shame is? Same people can be manipulated again to hate each other and forget all the good things that they have shared.<BR/><BR/>Bless you allAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155261006657927412006-08-11T04:50:00.000+03:002006-08-11T04:50:00.000+03:00Folks I'm telling You I love that Catarina! I am w...Folks I'm telling You I love that Catarina! I am waiting to read the replies to Her. Steve You sending off copies to kerry teddy bilary and air amerika to see how to reply here ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155220773454022022006-08-10T17:39:00.000+03:002006-08-10T17:39:00.000+03:00Just saw this, but had to answer ~ I spend time no...Just saw this, but had to answer ~ <BR/><B>I spend time now and then cleaning up after right wingers like you. </B> Oh, so you're the designated maintenance man of the left wing extreme! I'm so impressed you have a function here on earth.<BR/><B><BR/>Your views remind people of facist views, dear, thus Janjo's response and link.</B> Really, well then tell that to London this today while their on red alert due to "Gee, terrorists", I wonder why they would do such a thing??? <BR/>NOW will the Michael Moores and suchlike take this war on terrorism seriously?<BR/><BR/>I believe those of us who believe in our fight, and believe that a major $hit is about to happen again on our shores, the time is nigh. My question is how did we keep the New York Times from tipping the terrorists off to this investigation? :) Steve. you don't work there yet do you?<BR/><B> This will no doubt surprise you. Did you think Janjo was kidding when he mentioned he used your comments as a fearful example of how some Americans think? Are you proud of that? </B> Dude, get a grip. I could care less. People all over the world hate us, do you think that my comment's going to change world opinion or better yet, what about our opinions of them? Talk about about me spewing venom? LOL<B><BR/>You need to look and apply the term "chickenhawk" to yourself, it appears. Look it up.</B> Look up "primate" ~ you fit quite well amongst that group since you rub elbows with Hezbollah ~ Why not just go over there and play Jihad Joe?<BR/><BR/> ~ I'm very happy being a hawk. I'm proud of who I am and what I believe in and you can take Murtha and all the cut and run guys all day long! Oh, I am so unimpressed with him, Kerry and all your favorites.<BR/><BR/> I think the term chicken is even too brave for the likes of you.<BR/><BR/>Now, I'm definitely over your BS and won't be replying or reading your nonsense.<BR/><BR/>BTW ~ glad Ian staightened you out on the Geneva Convention ~ LOL! Keep on cleanin' up the mess, you're doing an OUTSTANDING JOB!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155219913405431902006-08-10T17:25:00.000+03:002006-08-10T17:25:00.000+03:00IsrealiMom said... Ian said: When was the last tim...IsrealiMom said... <BR/>Ian said: When was the last time a Jew or Christian blew him or herself up killing others in the name of G_D ?<BR/><BR/>I agree that the suicide bombers are something else. That said, people have been killing and dying for their God all the time, and still are. Christians, Jews, others as well. Glad you mentioned the historical context though. Historically, there have been many many times where Jews and Christians killed and died for their faith, mainly killed, I think. The crusaders and the spanish inquisition ring any bells? ;) Sure, so they haven't done so recently, but it goes to show you this isn't something inherent in a certain religion, it's more of a cultural phenomenon, related to a certain point in time. It could change with Muslims as well. <BR/><BR/>The Crusades and inquisition were very bad things Cant get around that.<BR/><BR/>That mindset died out long ago.<BR/>The Crusades were in answer to islamics killing Christians trying to visit the Holy Lands.<BR/><BR/>Muslims did invade Spain and took part in crimes in much the same way as the inquisition.<BR/><BR/>IanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155184382885983302006-08-10T07:33:00.000+03:002006-08-10T07:33:00.000+03:00Ian said: When was the last time a Jew or Christia...Ian said: When was the last time a Jew or Christian blew him or herself up killing others in the name of G_D ?<BR/><BR/>I agree that the suicide bombers are something else. That said, people have been killing and dying for their God all the time, and still are. Christians, Jews, others as well. Glad you mentioned the historical context though. Historically, there have been many many times where Jews and Christians killed and died for their faith, mainly killed, I think. The crusaders and the spanish inquisition ring any bells? ;) Sure, so they haven't done so recently, but it goes to show you this isn't something inherent in a certain religion, it's more of a cultural phenomenon, related to a certain point in time. It could change with Muslims as well.AnneMosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106023892552600731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155183802240839662006-08-10T07:23:00.000+03:002006-08-10T07:23:00.000+03:00janjo said... To be honest with you I don’t speak ...janjo said... <BR/>To be honest with you I don’t speak Arabic. Our language is Persian. It is like the difference between German and English. In regards to Quran, well I have read the translation in Persian. As Israeli Mom said it, same sort of things can be find in any religion that’s why there are extremist in all of them. But also it is important to put things in context. Quran is kind of story telling and many of these things could be referring to something 1400 years ago. Anyway, I am not expert in that so I can not make much of comment. I prefer to keep quiet when I don’t know much on something.<BR/><BR/>When was the last time a Jew or Christian blew him or herself up killing others in the name of G_D ?<BR/><BR/>I know in the past things were done in the Name of G_D and Jesus.<BR/>Those things took places a few hundred years ago. I recall reading yesterday about a muslim blowing himself up in Iraq.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155183508514091432006-08-10T07:18:00.000+03:002006-08-10T07:18:00.000+03:00the Geneva Convention violations?The Convention do...the Geneva Convention violations?<BR/><BR/>The Convention does not apply to those fighting without a uniform.<BR/>They are terrorist and have no rights under the Conventions.<BR/><BR/>They show no mercy look at what they did to Nick Burg and many others.<BR/><BR/>ianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155183222010808392006-08-10T07:13:00.000+03:002006-08-10T07:13:00.000+03:00steve said... I won't be responding to the Catarin...steve said... <BR/>I won't be responding to the Catarina posts from here on. We have taken an impersonal and fascinating blog site and made it the typical personal vendetta sort of direction all so coomon and maybe illustative of why things are in the mess they are, eslewhere as well.<BR/>Out of respect to Annette, Catarina, fire away, Babe. Since I did not bother finishing either of your other posts, expect even less. They are so long, one needs a lunch, anyway. Enjoy. <BR/><BR/>Could it be that Catarina made points about issues that dont fit into what You have been spoon fed by the extreme left ?<BR/><BR/>IanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155168979763805632006-08-10T03:16:00.000+03:002006-08-10T03:16:00.000+03:00To be honest with you we can argue on each one of ...<B>To be honest with you we can argue on each one of these issues but I don’t think it is much of point to just argue. I have drawn you something which I thought might be helpful. That’s all.<BR/></B> I have no desire to argue with anyone.<BR/><BR/>I know about this incident. Much of what I remember of it was thrown under the rug. Once again, I can't apologize for them, just extremely horrific that such an incident has happpened; I can't explain it ~ <BR/><BR/>I will ask if you happened to listen to Wafu Sultan's link I posted? What did you think of her message?<BR/><BR/><BR/>BTW ~ I did order Persion Mirrors and Iran Awakening and look forward to reading them. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155165323943964792006-08-10T02:15:00.000+03:002006-08-10T02:15:00.000+03:00To be honest with you I don’t speak Arabic. Our la...To be honest with you I don’t speak Arabic. Our language is Persian. It is like the difference between German and English. In regards to Quran, well I have read the translation in Persian. As Israeli Mom said it, same sort of things can be find in any religion that’s why there are extremist in all of them. But also it is important to put things in context. Quran is kind of story telling and many of these things could be referring to something 1400 years ago. Anyway, I am not expert in that so I can not make much of comment. I prefer to keep quiet when I don’t know much on something.<BR/><BR/>I only tried to picture you normal people of a Muslim country for example Iranians. But as I said I only tried to draw a picture for you and nothing else and it is not the only picture and in no way complete. <BR/><BR/>Catarina, I suggest you read my other post again, I agreed with NYtimes, maybe it was not clear. And just to keep you busy with so called American mistakes, I send you one more of so many. It is another mistake which USA never apologised for it. I give you different sources to same story.<BR/><A HREF="http://alertandalarmed.blogspot.com/2005/07/iran-air-655-operation-enduring.html" REL="nofollow">Iran Air 655: Operation Enduring Freedom?</A><BR/><A HREF="http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/shootingdown_iranair_flight655.php" REL="nofollow">Shooting Down Iran Air Flight 655</A><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655" REL="nofollow">Iran Air Flight 655</A><BR/><BR/>To be honest with you we can argue on each one of these issues but I don’t think it is much of point to just argue. I have drawn you something which I thought might be helpful. That’s all.<BR/><BR/>Bless you allAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155164831142710342006-08-10T02:07:00.000+03:002006-08-10T02:07:00.000+03:00IsrealiMom said... Ian, the Bible is just as full ...IsrealiMom said... <BR/>Ian, the Bible is just as full of these kind of laws as the Quran. I wouldn't go by the Quran alone trying to understand today's Muslim world. Sure, there are religious fanatics who may follow it literally, but not all Muslims are like that.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I fear Jews and Christians that claim to follow the word of the Bible per se, just as much as their equivalents on the Muslim side.<BR/><BR/>My Dear Lady may Hashem Bless You and Us all.<BR/>I am not an Israeli Jew I am an American Jew.<BR/><BR/> I can find nothing in the Torah that tells me a Jew to smite muslim above the neck or cut off their fingertips. Nothing about laying in wait for them and harm them.<BR/><BR/>There is nothing in the Torah that requires Us to force them to pay a tax for not being Jews.<BR/><BR/>I fear this unholy alliance between islam and liberals. <BR/>Remember what the leftwing did to us in Geramny ?<BR/><BR/>I forgive this action but will never forget it. Remember the book of hitler is second only to the koran in sales in most islamic countries.<BR/><BR/>Better I should eat a porkchop than think these people as Friends.<BR/><BR/>IanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155149599722382242006-08-09T21:53:00.000+03:002006-08-09T21:53:00.000+03:00Ian, the Bible is just as full of these kind of la...Ian, the Bible is just as full of these kind of laws as the Quran. I wouldn't go by the Quran alone trying to understand today's Muslim world. Sure, there are religious fanatics who may follow it literally, but not all Muslims are like that.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I fear Jews and Christians that claim to follow the word of the Bible per se, just as much as their equivalents on the Muslim side.AnneMosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106023892552600731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155144476059273152006-08-09T20:27:00.000+03:002006-08-09T20:27:00.000+03:00janjo ~ I lost all my info last nite when my compu...janjo ~ I lost all my info last nite when my computer decided to shut off ~ I can't tell you how much work I put into my post, but I will do my best to address each comment that you ask and apologize for the delay ~ <BR/><B><BR/>On your books I just quote what Washington post book world review was in regards to your resources. <BR/>“Authors such as Timmerman and Jerome R. Corsi (who wrote the similarly irresponsible Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians) ....</B> Why is it that I see that a lot of your sources are all liberal biased~ why not other sources? I even gave you the NY Times link (which in all fairness is more likely to put saturate anyone with liberal views), that stated the SAT scores of Bush, his IQ which was established around the upper 120's but you didn't seem to care about that link or was it just that you wanted to show me where you got that info about the joke? Just confused here.<BR/><BR/>Also the other link that GWB stated that "God told him; etc ~ that's also liberal propoganda. It's just like when the left bloggers decided to create a little propaganda fun on GOOGLE ~ do you remember the "miserable failure" search? If you typed that into your GOOGLE search you'd wind up on GWB's site ~ <BR/>Easily done ~ as a matter of fact, you can find resources on Snopes.com for more misinformation the left has put out there. I consider myself to be an independant. I don't think it's a good idea for anyone to smear someone purposely for fun. It only makes their party or whatever they stand for appear cowardly, bullies and incredibly desperate.<BR/><BR/>I'm also kinda stumped as why you'd thumb down Timmerman since he, along with Pete Rodman and some other guy Murvachik (I think sp); and a group of Iranians established the Foundation of Democracy in Iran. It's a group of Iranian Democrats (have you heard of them?) that are aiding Congress and the public informed about the oppressions you speak of later on in your post. Nevertheless, I will press on ~<BR/><BR/> <B> the United States is still profoundly ill-equipped to understand Iran, much less effectively address those challenges.” </B> We are ill equipped because of the hate that we see and read from the news, online, etc ~ I don't know any Iranians, only people from India ~ of which is my best friend and her family; I am her daughter's Godmother; and Pakistan, two families of which we are extremely close to mine. Both of which are not fans of Iran ~ go figure. So, with these resources, unless I actually go to Iran, I'm limited as to the knowledege I can procure.<BR/><BR/>Oh and I wanted to share this with you, because I think you'd appreciate it very much ~ at least I thought you would.<BR/><A HREF="http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null" REL="nofollow">Wafa Sultan</A><BR/><BR/><B>Did ever your resources told you about candle power?</B> No, as a matter of fact, I put up a tribute site for 9/11 victims and family's. I specifically looked for this information, but didn't come across it! I'm very sad to see that either it was blocked or perhaps it wasn't uploaded when I needed it. Thanks for the link ;)<BR/><B>Before I go further, I would tell you why I was astound about your comment. You said “and we did give Afghanistan it's weapons, but that was for strategic reasons” I like that. Simply US does not give damn about other nations. It is interests. Your interests.</B><BR/>I stated that because Afghan is stategically located. Do you think the US is going to allow Soviet Union (at that time) to take over another country in the ME? I didn't like the way they handled Afghanistan at all. Even though the US aided with weapons, they should've given more aid to rebuild.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I read the coup of 1953 ~ I'm not proud of that; the US has made severe mistakes. I don't have an answer as how to correct them. <BR/><B>Is it because we have oil? So it started back then and in 1979 eventually people of Iran (I say it again people) did a revolution which made Iran republic and also Islamic. </B> Of course it is, I might have been born at nite, but not last nite. ALL PARTIES are involved janjo ~ don't let anyone kid you that the <B>left</B> are the rightous party of America and other countries", all that's just more BS; just like the right!<BR/><BR/>We need real leaders, but certainly I only see a few that could possibly be fair and just.<BR/><BR/>BTW ~ I also read 50 Years After the CIA’s First Overthrow of a Democratically Elected Foreign Government, again, we have to clean up the mess of our past leaders.<BR/><BR/>You speak of human rights, but it seems like Iran cares nothing of human rights either. I'm quite sure that doesn't hold true of many people that live there, just like those of us that do care here.<BR/><BR/>You may think I don't because I speak out against Hezbollah and Islamofacists, but this information is out there janjo and I didn't put it out there.<BR/><B>Have you seen this one? <BR/>Troops 'took turns' to rape Iraqi </B> Yes, I've read about it and this is under investigation now. If it is true and they <B><I>will</I></B> be tried, found guilty and hopefully pay the ultimate price; however, as you must know, innocent until proven guilty. That being said, we do have the death penalty. I personally am very undecided about this law. I feel it's barberic, but yet, what happened to the victims and their families can't be overlooked and they must have some type of justice. It's a hard call :(<BR/><BR/><B><BR/>Iran Awakening: A Memoir of Revolution and Hope</B> Thanks, I'll read that.<BR/><B>We don’t want war. And government knows that people of Iran never would support them if they attack any other country but same government knows it well that if US attacks Iran, people will defend it to the last drop of their blood.</B> How could anyone blame them?<BR/><B>Many voted and this Iranian equivalent of Bush came to power. He claimed things to do but he has not done them yet. What he is doing is trying to put foreign pressure on Iran to not let critics get louder which might take him off the power before next election. But simply you don’t see that. <BR/></B>Honestly, he is quite scary to me. He doesn't seem that he wants a democracy, but dictatorship.<BR/><BR/>janjo ~ I have a meeting to get to and I have posted longer than I should, but I appreciate your love for both countries and I do understand you better now through this discussion ~ <BR/><BR/>However, there's so much to digest. I have a lot of thinking to do.<BR/><BR/>Best wishes & Blessings ~Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155138186250300382006-08-09T18:43:00.000+03:002006-08-09T18:43:00.000+03:00Shalom and Howdy! Catarina is spot on with Her pos...Shalom and Howdy! <BR/><BR/>Catarina is spot on with Her postings. I couldnt agree more with Her.<BR/><BR/>This war was started by hezbollah and Israel has evry right to Defend Her People. Israels only desire is to live in peace.<BR/>Those crazy muslims and their Qur’an dont want peace they want Israel destroyed along with Her Friends. If You think I'm telling a lie read the unholy Qur’an for yourself.<BR/><BR/>I'll even give You a few quotes from its pages.<BR/><BR/>Qur’an:9:5<BR/><BR/>Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.<BR/><BR/>Qur’an:9:29<BR/><BR/>Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission<BR/><BR/>This tax is called the Jizyah<BR/><BR/>Qur’an:8:39<BR/><BR/>Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.<BR/><BR/>Qur’an:8:39<BR/><BR/>So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).<BR/><BR/>So much for the peace of islam.<BR/><BR/>Lets move onto those 78 virgins in jinah. Did You know these virgins are 80 feet tall with mile wide butts ?<BR/><BR/>I dont know about the rest of You but if I saw something like that it would cause me great fear. Burkazilla! <BR/><BR/>Now Steve You said Our 6 year olds would be fighting the war.<BR/><BR/>Did You know that The messenger<BR/>thier prophet muhammad married a 6 year old child ? She was 9 when he took her to his bed.<BR/><BR/>Let us now return to the unholy text of islam and see what it says about Jews and Christians. I find it odd how much it sounds like that coming from the leftwingers in America and much of the world today.<BR/><BR/>Ishaq:240<BR/><BR/>The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.<BR/><BR/>Qur’an 33:26<BR/><BR/>Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.<BR/><BR/>Ishaq:524<BR/><BR/>We cannot accept the oaths of Jews. Their infidelity is so great they swear falsely.<BR/><BR/>Qur’an 5:17<BR/><BR/>Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.<BR/><BR/>Qur’an 5:51<BR/><BR/>Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.<BR/><BR/>Qur’an 5:82<BR/><BR/>You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims<BR/><BR/>janjo would you care to tell us what these mean ? If You tell me I must understand arabic before I can read the qu`ran I would ask You to check out this link.<BR/><BR/>http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ClipMediaID=60227&ak=null<BR/><BR/>IanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155103766409282782006-08-09T09:09:00.000+03:002006-08-09T09:09:00.000+03:00A fascinating discussion, actually. I have learned...A fascinating discussion, actually. I have learned a lot here. Janjo, can you email me please? israelimom@gmail.com - I want to run an idea by you :)AnneMosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106023892552600731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155085677469733962006-08-09T04:07:00.000+03:002006-08-09T04:07:00.000+03:00Janjo, Kerry is a legitimate hero. He was wounded...Janjo, Kerry is a legitimate hero. He was wounded three times in 4 months, and earned a high medal for bravery. The other two I mentioned have also been raped by electoral politics and outright lies, among the worst-ever political ploys in American history and a low point in political morality, bought and paid for gratefully by Republican politicians and backers. John Murtha and Mac Cleland, who lost both legs in Viet Nam are also victims of strident lies from the Right, Google them. Murtha is even current....he is running for office again in Pennsylvania this year. Watch how it develops, if you want to see what I am referring to. They are gearing up, hot and heavy. <BR/> There are lots of Iranians here where I live. They are progressive, modern people with a grwat sense of humor who are dismayed and confused by what's going on. America seeks simplistic answers instead of dialogue, right now. Like isay, I hope the current crew take their lies and mean-spirited foreign policy and get booted out thuis Noivemeber. Unfortunately for The Shrub (Bush, junior), he has to stay around and try and fix the awful mess he and his one-party situaion have caused. He won't of course and, the fact is, he may be impeached in disgrace. These wars are but a glimmer of his wrongdoings. His IQ, by the way, is perfect for those so much smarter around him who manipulate him in every way. He is actually a small part of the problem. Sigh, as i said, he'll be gone soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155078007528845952006-08-09T02:00:00.000+03:002006-08-09T02:00:00.000+03:00I appreciate your time and effort catrina. Maybe I...I appreciate your time and effort catrina. Maybe I am wrong and New York time’s call the other report (which can be find <A HREF="http://www.linkydinky.com/BushIQ.shtml" REL="nofollow">here</A>) hoax is correct. <BR/>and something to read as well:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/?itemid=1236" REL="nofollow"> George W. Bush: "God Told Me To Veto Anti-Torture Bill" </A><BR/> <BR/>And Steve I appreciate your view. I really have tried to present a picture of people who don’t have much of voice. And I do feel bad to miss-use what has been created here. I tried to apologise earlier in another post. <BR/><BR/>Steve, also I wanted to tell you that I just learnt 3 weeks ago (through wikipedia) that John Kerry was in Vietnam(I think I am recalling it correctly) war and I was amazed how he was criticised (If I can recall it properly) over his view towards security and war on terror in election! I can not remember the actual thing but at the election I was following the news and reading on Kerry and he seemed so peaceful that I could not imagine that he could have ever been in a war. I appreciated him back then but now I even do it more knowing what he has been through.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155074979562862162006-08-09T01:09:00.000+03:002006-08-09T01:09:00.000+03:00janjo ~ first, let's set the record straight; I am...janjo ~ first, let's set the record straight; I am not afraid to discuss anything with you. As a matter of fact, I welcome it.<BR/><BR/>No, I did not know you were an Iranian ~ <BR/><B>well I don’t want even go further with your comment since it is not just insulting but it is to me a crime by you to label so many like me to please yourself. </B> Why would you say that I am putting everyone that's an Iranian in one group? I never stated that; not once. If you interpretted that way, then I can see why you are very upset, but I did not.<BR/><B>However I think the truth is that his IQ is 91 but many jock about it as 65. Anyways if you like you can google this one and find it for yourself. <BR/></B> Just for my own curiosity, I have Googled it and came up with this ~ I am not at all impressed with high IQ's, but his is not as bad as you seem to think ~ there are men and women with much higher IQ's that have no common sense whatsoever, so really, why people make such a big deal over this is beyond me.<BR/><BR/>Please, take a moment to read this. It's from the New York Times, a very liberal press; (they hate Bush ~ so I feel this is a fair source) ~ I'm sure you're familiar with them. You may have to register, but it will only take a moment and it's free.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html?ex=1155182400&en=252d19b6a184ab27&ei=5070" REL="nofollow">Bush's IQ</A><BR/><BR/>janjo ~ I want to address the rest of your post, but I can not this evening; however; I see that you've put a lot of time to post and to provide these links; I appreciate that. I will reply to each of your statements later on tonite or tomorrow ~Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31208340.post-1155070762453572082006-08-08T23:59:00.000+03:002006-08-08T23:59:00.000+03:00Did I ever mention it here that I am an Iranian? W...Did I ever mention it here that I am an Iranian? Well I have not been living there for many years now, about 10 but I still proudly say that I am a Persian. Well does that make me a terrorist? Actually you (Catarian) said that “They have countless sleeper cells here in the US and around the world … ” well I don’t want even go further with your comment since it is not just insulting but it is to me a crime by you to label so many like me to please yourself. but at least I can assure you nothing can happen to you over the internet. So don’t get scared dear and don’t run off. You can read on. <BR/><BR/>You seem to misunderstand me when I say I am thinking of the so called personal questions. I didn’t ask them so you would answer me. No, I was just thinking loud that where your view is coming from. But anyway, sorry if it came cross wrong.<BR/><BR/>In regards to Bush, I still don’t think it was an insult. He has the lowest IQ among all US presidents and I did not say that’s a bad thing. I just said it is wrong to generalise. However I think the truth is that his IQ is 91 but many jock about it as 65. Anyways if you like you can google this one and find it for yourself. <BR/><BR/>On your books I just quote what Washington post book world review was in regards to your resources. <BR/>“Authors such as Timmerman and Jerome R. Corsi (who wrote the similarly irresponsible Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians) present their ideology as self-evident verity and their assumptions as incontrovertible facts. The reality remains that Iran does present serious challenges to American interests; a quarter-century after the Iranian Revolution ruptured U.S.-Iranian relations, the United States is still profoundly ill-equipped to understand Iran, much less effectively address those challenges.” <BR/><BR/>Anyway I am not going to say anything about your resources since I have read some of their books and as I said before, these books help me to understand how others can see us from outside. <BR/><BR/>But there are other books which may help you to understand what it means to be an Iranian and living there. I try to give some name out and you may read some of them. I am going to give you resources of Iranian like me who criticise what’s happening in my country and try to improve it, but in no ways it means giving any right to US to intervene. <BR/><BR/>Actually one day if you travel to Middle East, to different places you will find out that Iranians as a nation are pro-west. Among all Muslim countries in ME Iran has the most pro-west nation while it still is anti US administration. <B> Same people mourns for American deaths. </B> Did ever your resources told you about <A HREF="http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoessays/vigil/3.html" REL="nofollow">candle power?</A><BR/><BR/>I don’t know how old you are, but things have history. They didn’t started 4 weeks ago when HA assaults happened and it didn’t started 27 years ago when the 1979 revolution happened. <BR/><BR/>Before I go further, I would tell you why I was astound about your comment. You said “and we did give Afghanistan it's weapons, but that was for strategic reasons” I like that. Simply US does not give damn about other nations. It is interests. Your interests.<BR/><BR/>And guess what there have been so many interests which have caused harm to my people. Saddam was only one of them. Have you ever read any of these articles. <BR/><A HREF="http://www.hirhome.com/iraniraq/iran-coup.htm" REL="nofollow"> “How the United States Destroyed Democracy in Iran in 1953” </A> <BR/><BR/>or<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/25/1534210" REL="nofollow">50 Years After the CIA’s First Overthrow of a Democratically Elected Foreign Government </A><BR/><BR/>It was your interests to destroy it back then and it’s your interests to liberate Iraq (my next door) today and maybe me tomorrow. I still don’t understand who gave US the permission to have any interest in my country. Is it because we have oil? So it started back then and in 1979 eventually people of Iran (I say it again people) did a revolution which made Iran republic and also Islamic. <BR/><BR/>The 1979 revolution was one the most peaceful revolutions in the whole history. Have you read on the French one? Or German? There were different parties in the revolution but thanks to US interests, Saddam attacked Iran. A war which gave the opportunity to the conservative party to take the lead and put a hold on every one else just because the country was at war. Well we did fight a meaningless war for 8 years for you interests. Because back in 1979 US still didn’t think that Iran should have had a democracy. Because simply US does not want people to decide for themselves in my country.<BR/><BR/>After all these years, today suddenly USA became so worried about democracy in Iran. A country with hidden prisons all over the world has become worried about Human Rights in Iran. Shame on you. <BR/><BR/>Human rights and USA. They are two extreme to many people in Iran. I can be worried for human rights in Iran, I as a person who have friends who are behind bars because of their thoughts. Not you with your interests. Soon when you have achieved your interests you will forget about my human rights. I guess there many news that you miss out on them. Have you seen this one? <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5253160.stm" REL="nofollow">Troops 'took turns' to rape Iraqi <BR/></A><BR/><BR/>That’s what we see as human rights you are offering. Gee thanks. <BR/>But to give you more to read on human rights in Iran I give you this book. I don’t need to hide it I want to make it better so I let the world know!<BR/><A HREF="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1846040124/sr=1-1/qid=1155062765/ref=pd_bowtega_1/026-7562718-0743605?ie=UTF8&s=books" REL="nofollow">Iran Awakening: A Memoir of Revolution and Hope</A><BR/>You know it is simple case that we realised that US never would have any interests to help us as a nation. And it is upon Iranians to experience and achieve democracy. We don’t hate you but simply we don’t trust you. And we are sure about that. <BR/><BR/>If you walk in Tehran’s street and talk to people, they would tell you that there will be no war. We don’t want war. And government knows that people of Iran never would support them if they attack any other country but same government knows it well that if US attacks Iran, people will defend it to the last drop of their blood. It is not because they are Shiia or Muslim or whatever. No, simply because they are Persian and they are living in a land that they have lived there for past 3000 years and they have defended it all the way through. Believe me you are not worst than Moguls. <BR/><BR/>It might be easy for USA to say be with us or against us and relies on the fact of being a super power. But it does not really scare people of a land who have built their values days before Christianity or Islam come to existence. <BR/><BR/>Meanwhile I also suggest you to read these two books as well,<BR/><A HREF="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0743284798/026-7562718-0743605?v=glance&n=266239&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE" REL="nofollow">Persian Mirrors: The Elusive Face of Iran</A> <BR/><BR/>And<BR/><A HREF="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1846270030/sr=1-2/qid=1155062765/ref=pd_bowtega_2/026-7562718-0743605?ie=UTF8&s=books" REL="nofollow">We Are Iran</A><BR/><BR/>Maybe I should suggest some pro Islamic republic books as well, lol, but I don’t think you would have the time ;) to read them.<BR/><BR/>So anyway to sum it up, I tell you to read more and don’t hate us because we know you are not our friends but we like to have relations with you. We love peace because we know it well that it is only through peace that we can evolve to a better democracy. <BR/><BR/>And if your are worried because of our president I have to tell you that he is an all talk no walk man. <BR/><BR/>There is a fact that you are missing. 65% of Iran population went to vote in last presidential election. Much higher than USA. <BR/><BR/>No one did force them to vote but they felt it is the right way forward. The candidates were not that good since many of them were eliminated but the truth is even that many candidates were eliminated from being in election still people went out and voted. <BR/><BR/>Many voted and this Iranian equivalent of Bush came to power. He claimed things to do but he has not done them yet. What he is doing is trying to put foreign pressure on Iran to not let critics get louder which might take him off the power before next election. But simply you don’t see that. <BR/><BR/>I may be more British today as an Iranian but it dose not change the fact that I know and feel about the people who are living there. I may never go back to live there but I can understand their miss-trust. <BR/><BR/>I am some one who loves two nations. I don’t see the world with lines but more as one. Yes my culture is coming from there and I am passionate about it but my love ones are here and are British. I never can choose between them but I can tell both sides that they are same people in two different locations. I can tell them not listen the nonsense of media and government. and I can tell them that I have lived with bothe of them I have fell in love each time. And I know where ever I go same people would be there. <BR/><BR/>I hope for peace and nothing else. <BR/>Bless you all and sorry for another long post.<BR/><BR/>And more articles!<BR/><A HREF="http://www.antiwar.com/solomon/?articleid=6459" REL="nofollow">From Tehran to Washington, Demagogues Rule</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples" REL="nofollow">Iranian People </A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com